tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-359119424342025391.post6916248998441421518..comments2023-06-06T18:22:38.825+01:00Comments on The real does not efface itself: Men behaving badlyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-359119424342025391.post-47847423015988958342011-06-19T10:18:32.278+01:002011-06-19T10:18:32.278+01:00Stan, great comment, a blog post in itself which I...Stan, great comment, a blog post in itself which I will 'reblog'.<br />Jochanaan and Phydeau, thanks for commenting too. It is a most distressing episode but unfortunately not the only one. Attitudes need to changeAlex B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06699973119866294862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-359119424342025391.post-50670788714209505092011-06-18T19:15:30.140+01:002011-06-18T19:15:30.140+01:00You know what? I'm not even going to try afte...You know what? I'm not even going to try after what Stan said. That was beautifully stated.Phydeauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01646386210257500803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-359119424342025391.post-36035148094608793452011-06-18T12:34:59.307+01:002011-06-18T12:34:59.307+01:00A distressing Article Alex, but sadly all too true...A distressing Article Alex, but sadly all too true.. <br /><br />when I was just starting out , I shot a very promising young lady just short of her 18th.. we didn't do any nude, in fact the idea wasn't raised at all.. and got some(for the time) pretty good shots. Over the course of the session, we got talking about her experiences to date...what shocked me was the number of times she had been pressured to shoot nude... even tho she was not 18!.. over the years, especially since making photography my living, I have tried NOT to ever come across as sleazy in any way.. how successful I have been in this endeavor .. who knows...<br /><br />One thing that has distressed me over the years is the perception of models, especially nude models... While most of the models I have worked with are the most honest, forthright, dedicated people with the highest morals I have ever met, there is a perception that (nude) models are basically wanton women .. how often do you see on various forums statements like "she only gets works cos she gets her tits out" or "at least I dont have to flash my bits to get work".. it is pathetic, but sadly reflective of society.. despite 40 years of the so called sexual revolution, and even longer for the feminist movement, women who are a) prepared to expose their bodies, or b) are sexually assertive/active, are still seen as social pariah's. Coupled with this there has been no attempt to change the attitude of males in the media or otherwise.. boys are still bombarded with images and editorial that presents women in a derogatory light..instead of lauding and appreciating female sexuality, boys are still taught to snigger, belittle and generally view female sexuality in a derogatory light...( not sure what the lads mags are like in the UK, but here they make all their models sound like total tarts!)<br /><br />As to why this is, there are many reasons.. firstly, IMOH, as in many revolutions, we are seeing a sexual counter revolution.. as religious/conservative groups fight to put sex back into the bedroom with the lights off, and make women's bodies something to be ashamed of! Even as early as the '80s The feminist movement had fragmented into those that that wanted equality on all levels with males ( but still loved them) , and those that wished to suppress males the way that females had for millenia... ( which means NOT allowing men to appreciate the female form as after all, they are only getting their rocks off) .. <br /><br />As a result, unlike with the homosexual acceptance movement, there has been no change in language regarding females , a promiscuous women is still a "slut", "tart", "hooker", "whore" etc.. ( derogatory terms)while the male equivalent is still a "stud", "Casanova" etc (complimentary terms..). The most offensive word in the English language is still a 4 letter word starting with c that refers to a certain part of the female anatomy.. and there has been little serious attempt to change this ..<br /><br />which leads us back to the original dilemma...where does a nude model stand? (s)he is not a slut.. even though society tends to view her that way and, as a result, some photographers tend to think of her that way.. yet she is more.. she is divine, angelic, confident, empowered and leading the way for her kind.. and at the end of the session leaves to return to her boyfriend/husband/girlfriend/parents/teddy bear or whatever, and should leave us with the best damn images we can create <br /><br />we shouldn't have to have "slut" walks, we shouldn't have to make pledges .. we should just love, accept and appreciate women, and that glorious thing that is their body, their sexuality, and their being..StanBhttp://stanb.deviantart.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-359119424342025391.post-37185593534926081862011-06-18T01:54:35.201+01:002011-06-18T01:54:35.201+01:00"Boys will be boys." Pfui! I speak as ..."Boys will be boys." Pfui! I speak as a man (not a particularly powerful one, but still a man): I do not engage in this kind of abuse, never have, and never will. There are many men like me, who don't abuse, who keep their personal and professional lives separate, who never call prostitutes, and whose women friends never have to give bad references. And if we were all honest about such things, I would match my sex drive against any man my age. So don't give ME that line!<br /><br />Perhaps what we need is something like The Pledge, the promise developed by the (US) Women's Christian Temperance Union, pledging that the pledgee would never use alcoholic beverages nor promote their use. I'd sign such a pledge against mistreating a woman, in a heartbeat!jochanaanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14143066702059757955noreply@blogger.com